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“BROKEBACK MOUNTIN’” LETTERS:
(graphic sexual language has been spruced up; misspellings and bad punctuation in letters have been left alone.)
updated 1/13

Editor's note: It is interesting, if not amazing, that almost no letters in response to the "Brokeback Mountin'" column seemed to recognize the thrust (so to speak) of the column: that a prominent psychotherapist---in fact, the man who coined the term "homophobe"---made the astonishing charge that anyone who does not want to see "Brokeback Mountain" is therefore a homophobe.

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(Justin Goldberry, part two. See part one below)

Mr Rense,

Hang fire, pardner.  I think you know what I was referring to.  Mate.

Both with your column itself, and to a greater extent, your replies to the correspondents, it came across on a particular note.

That note was akin to a bunch of "men's men" sitting around slapping each other on the back, and crowing about how they don't want to have to sit through all that nasty footage of 2 dudes kissing.

If you don't want to watch it, fine, that doesn't make you homophobic.  But why make such a song and dance about it?

Is this insulting to gay men, to hear a bunch of straight guys droning on and on about how they find gay sex repulsive?  Of course it's insulting to anyone who is gay, and I defy you to find a gay man who disagrees with me.

(RR: Er, uh. . .please see Marc Rudin's letter below, for starters.)

Anyone who wrote in agreeing with you, some of them clearly homophobic, got the welcome sign from you.  Anyone who took a line that took issue with your words, got dumped upon.  That was my point.

I did not call you homophobic.  The only thing that saves you from that conclusion is that you claim to support gay rights.  With views like you expressed, I say "why bother"?  We don't want your kind of support.

Justin Goldberry
Victoria, Australia 

Mr. Goldberry,

Ah, I see that you alone speak for the entire gay community. Congratulations. Funny I haven't heard of you before. And I'll give you a clue, "mate"---the gay community needs all the support it can get.

Surely you can find better targets than me.

I made a "song and dance" out of this issue because the very psychologist who coined the term "homophobic" said that anyone who does not wish to see this movie is a homophobe. How insane is that? This is the point of my column. Even you agree that this point is ridiculous.

The fact is that many, or most, and who knows, possibly all heterosexuals are repulsed by homosexual acts. This is a fact of life, a fact of biology. If it bothers you, I'm sorry for the inconvenience. It's a tough old world out there! Not incidentally, I constantly hear gay people sneering at "breeders," as they refer to heterosexuals. I find this repugnant, but it's just too silly and trivial to make into a serious issue.

So when I say that I don't like burkas, which I don't, I suppose this eggs on all those who despise Islam. And when I say I don't like fundamentalist Christians, this encourages all Muslims. And when I say I don't like extremist right-wing commentators, this encourages leftists. And when I say i disagree with some of Israel's policies, this encourages all anti-Semites. And when I say I don't like desecration of the environment, this encourages violent anarchists. And when I say I don't like too much sunshine, this encourages fans of rain.

This should---but probably will not---demonstrate the absolute absurdity---let's make that idiocy---of your point. I cannot be responsible for the behavior of people interpreting the opinions I express. Unless I am deliberately looking to stimulate someone to violence. Which even you must be able to see that I am hardly doing.

Your position is part of an extremist viewpoint held among some gays and the politically correct left that is tantamount to prohibiting the expression of all opinion contrary to your own. It is actually a form of fascism. The world is full of well-intentioned people with opinions that differ from yours. You'd best get used to it, or you're in for a lot of irritation.

Gidday, gidday.

RR
 

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Mr. Rense,

Gidday, gidday,

Interesting and witty article. I got a bit of a laugh reading it.
I appreciate that it's ridiculous for a psychologist to claim that anyone who doesn't want to see Brokeback Mountain is a homophobe. That is ridiculous, if in fact he said that.


RR: Yes. It was widely reported.


Entertainment is personal choice. Sexuality is not.

I am gay and interested in seeing this movie. It is probably one of the
first movies that has depicted 'straight acting' gays (who are not sexually
neutered figures of fun) who actually have sex lives.

You have to see past the fact there are sex scenes in this movie. This is
something that you and others have failed to do. Having said that, I don't
dismiss you as homophobic, you appear not to be, and whether you see a movie
or not is your choice.

I would suggest, though, that you might decide to have an open mind, go see
the movie, and then see whether it affects your social commentary or not.

RR: This is a reasonable and intelligent suggestion. The fact is that I have no interest, the gay aspect of the film aside. I don't go to see love stories as a rule, anyhow. What's more, I am a supporter of gay rights, so I don't see how the film could particularly affect my point of view.

One of your correspondents (yes I read them) seems to suggest that this
movie glorifies marital infidelity. I disagree, homosexuality is not a
choice. It may be destructive to these guys' family units / marriages, but
the fact is that these guys might be living a lie (if they are trapped in a
marriage). The film is not 'glorifying' anything, it's just commenting on
these guys' difficult predicament.

RR:  I think there is truth on both sides here. Yes, the movie examines the predicament that these married guys find themselves in, which is a real problem in the real world. Yes, the plot also excuses marital infidelity, when someone more compelling happens along (regardless of gender.)While that is not the worst sin in the world, I think it is worth pointing out, in view of the monumental narcisissm and selfishness to be found in today's society.

Marital infideility, in this case, might be just someone bringing a halt to
a life of self deception. It is a bit different from a heterosexual affair
(chalk and cheese really).


RR: I'm not sure that's the case. There is an additional factor of repressed sexual identity, as you note, but in the end, it amounts to betrayal of a vow.

Yes, I am gay myself. I have been through one very nasty experience as a
result. This gives me an insight into the damage that 'mad dog' anti-gay
views can do.

RR: Without a doubt.

My main criticism of your column is that it gives the appearance of siding
with those who are anti gay.

RR: I would have to quarrel with this. How does noting that I support gay marriage and full legal rights for gay people, as I do in the column, give the appearance that I am siding with people who are anti-gay? I don't follow that. I merely objected to being called a homophobe because I have no interest in seeing a movie about gay love.

By taking what you see as the "non PC" line,
you are giving succour, and a platform, to these people. This is a shame.
Because these people cost people's lives.

Justin Goldberry

Victoria, Australia

RR: This is interesting. Here I have written a column that supports gay marriage, gay rights. I have objected to being called a homophobe! (Because I am not a homophobe.) I have confessed that my hetereosexual nature leaves me uninterested in seeing a gay film. I have objected strenuously to the gimmick of attracting an audience on the basis of controversy, and to those who will crow sanctimoniously about how egalitarian they are---simply because they will go and see this movie. You are suggesting that this will result in murder of gay people. You say I am "giving a platform to these people." To what people? The platform is mine, for my views. I think you might do well to rethink this accusation, and direct your objections to anti-gay commentators/websites/organizations.

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Mr. Rense:

I found your column well-expressed, and, frankly, amusing to read.

I agree with you. Simply because you don't follow a certain lifestyle doesn't mean that you violently oppose it or are "phobic" to it. It makes me angry that a leading psychoanalyst would make such a statement. (Yes, I noticed your Editor's comment.)

I also don't enjoy movies with flagrant fondling, kissing, etc. It makes me uncomfortable, but that doesn't mean I hate people who find that entertaining, and simply because I wouldn't choose to see a movie whose main catcher basically states that it is fraught with kissing doesn't mean I think it's a terrible, death-worthy crime to make such movies.

These things are a matter of personal preferance and opinion. One person's view will not be the same as everyone else's.

I agree, too, that this movie should not be elevated into social icon status. It was made for entertainment, and I believe that it should stay in that realm: entertainment. I have not seen the movie either, and I'm not of the opinon that it would change my life.

I've read reviews. I have gleaned that it is about two gay cowboys, and that their relationship destroys their marriages. I have also read that it was amazingly touching, and that their love endured even though they married others. I really can make no statement myself without seeing the movie.

Currently, I want to watch simply because I'm curious. Of course, that is exactly what all this hype is meant to do. I find that controversy is the best money-maker. Perhaps that's only in the US, but either way, people are drawn to controversy.

Personally, I have no qualms with gay marriage, rights, and (laugh) movies. One can be tolerant without being a follower.

Thank you for such an interesting, humorous, well-written column. I enjoyed reading it.

Thanks (not thnx)

Emelie Dubois


Dear Ms.Dubois,

Thank you very much for taking the time to write so cogently, thoughtfully. We are in accord on these matters.

RR



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D
ear Rip Rense, your article about brokeback is dead on the hazelnuts!! I read an article on news with views about a week ago telling how poorly the brokeback film did its first or second week out. [about 4.2 mln.] I was elated to see those numbers.   Like you, I would also be branded a homophobe. I've got some news for those guys, I am also a homoerectus!!!   see ya,  m. collier in Mn.

Dear Mr. Collier,

Thanks for writing. You know, if the movie were as good as people say, it seems to me that the numbers would not have dropped off so much in the second week, regardless of the subject matter. And when the day comes when your not so homo erectus, there is always Viagra.

RR

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Dear Mr Rense,

I have just read your article on the film "Brokeback Mountain." I would just like to say that I fully agree with your view that this film is just a magnet for politically correct idiots who only care about showing everyone how superior, morally advanced and intellectual they are. Its ironic that these indoctrinated people in fact do not have a single thought or opinion in their heads that is really their own. The fact that they are in the vast majority is also somewhat saddening.

I try not to have an opinion on any group of people (I try but its unfortunately sometimes easy to categorise).

As far as I`m concerned a person who says that they love homosexuals is just as daft as a person who says that they hate them all.

They are just two sides of the same coin. Neither can I hate an individual solely on the basis of their sexuality and I would not like to live in a society where people suffered because of their sexuality (which I am fairly sure is at least partially a random biological process that takes place during the individuals developement).

David Kupelian has written an insightful and thougt-provoking article ("Rape of the Marlboro Man") on this particular film - which you have probably read of course - but if you have have not then I would suggest you do. He dislikes this films political message which he sees as morally desensitizing in the respect that the film gives the impression that two people can commit adultery against their partners and children by blindly chasing their own selfish feelings and desires without a thought to the consequences of their behavior. In that respect a heterosexual film which glorified an adulterous affair between a man and a woman and presented it as a moral "love is never wrong" story would be just as contemptible.

It teaches us that irresponsible behavior is not only acceptable - but morally superior, tragic and almost holy. That is a terrible message to propagate. What makes an adult is responsibility, and we must in fact realise and accept the consequences of our actions. We always have a choice - despite the temptations.

I have myself been unfaithful in my youth. I have two children now and I can honestly say that I have never been unfaithful to their mother. I could not have done that to them or her. But I can understand about temptation and I don`t judge those that have been unfaithful and feel remorse. But I can NEVER accept a message that such behavior is not only justified and glossed over - but actually glorified and presented as something holy and righteous - which is what this film appears to do. Whether the film portrays an adulterous heterosexual affair or a homosexual one is irrelevant. It is evil presenting itself as the divine.

Best regards,

Lee

Dear Lee,

The vast majority of humanity has never particularly been a bastion of reason and independent thought. All one can do is try to judge people fairly. Generalization is a natural (and often useful) tool, as long as one remembers that generalizations are not absolutes, as you do. Thank you very much for referring me to Makow's article. This point is spectacularly well taken! Not having seen the movie, I was not aware of this aspect. A very, very key observation.

RR
 

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Dear Mr Rense,

I did go to see this film against my better judgement. Sadly, it made me
gay, and now I like to look at, and occasionally touch men's bottoms.
Please advise all your male readers not to watch this film unless they
want to start actively seeking magazines with pictures of Leonardo Di
Caprio. This film has ruined my life, cost me my job and marriage. Don't
let others make the same mistake.

Yours

Bob
(Gerry Parker, Britain)

Dear Bob,

Please accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior and you'll be back to women in no time.

RR


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Mr Rense,

 I live in Hollywood, so you can imagine the sanctimonious
pro-gay rhetoric I am subjected to by well-meaning people who seem unaware
of a basic fact of human rights they purport to extol...I am supposed to
ignore MY deepest and most fundamental feelings about sexuality, to accept
SOMEONE ELSE'S deepest and most fundamental feelings about sexuality....they use
the "H" word to brand anyone who "disagrees" with them, as if it were a choice!
 Consider this: If a person is supposedly BORN with deep feelings for the
same sex, are there not people who are BORN with deep repulsion against seeing
it, hearing about it, being unwillingly subjected to it? Attraction and
repulsion folks, pretty basic...Homosexuality CAN BE a choice, as in the cases
of men in prison (opposite sex deprivation) and women rape survivors
(behavioral trauma response) My deeply integral repulsion to homosexuality is my
RIGHT, it is not a choice. I don't give a flying **** what two people do in
their private moments, but STOP telling me I have to accept it! I DON'T, and I
resent the Naziistic attitude the majority of pro-gay supporters employ in
beating the public over the collective head with something they have just as
much or MORE of a right to be repulsed by. If you want to use a crescent
wrench for a hammer, no one's stopping you, but when you demand I call a wrench a
hammer, we have a problem, and it IS a problem, because it separates people.
Live and let live should not be misconstrued into obligatory acceptance of
things that make ANYONE Sick to the core of their being. Thank you for this forum, and allowing me to submit a post.

Lee Koernig

Dear Mr. Koernig,

Thank you for taking the time to set down your thoughts so cogently. The one gray area here would seem to be the word "acceptance." I construe that you obviously accept the presence of homosexual people and believe they should not be denied any legal rights. "Accept," in your usage, would seem to indicate sharing, or even embracing, homosexual practices, I take it, and your point here is that there is no reason for you to do so, as it is not your proclivity. Of course this is true. I share your disdain for some efforts by the "gay community" to promote homosexuality in the guise of education. I don't believe any sexual practice should be promoted. It seems to happen well enough on its own.

RR



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Mr. Rense,

You are a homophobe, us gay people go to movies that we have to watch straight people, kissing, having sex etc.

RR: Unless English is your second language, I suggest that in the future, when you write letters to writers/newspapers/columnists, you check your grammar and spelling. Otherwise, it seriously undercuts the credibility of your remarks.

I will try to reason with you, with a couple of comments you will find below, although I know it is a lost cause.

First, it's "we gay people," not "us gay people." Actually, you don't have to watch "straight" people kissing or having sex. You can avoid those movies, or close your eyes. I do! But let's say that you are disgruntled because you are subjected to the mating habits of the majority of humanity in entertainment. I can only say that you might as well get used to it, as it is the predominant behavior of the species.
 

Do you really think that's something that we want to watch all the time.
 

RR: You need a question mark at the end of a sentence that is a question. Well, I don't know the answer to that question. I don't know what anyone "wants to watch all the time." But again, if it annoys you, by all means, just don't watch! Entertainment is still a matter of choice.
 

Movies are flooded with heterosexual people doing there breeder thing all the time.
 

RR: You mean "their," not "there." This is an elementary school-level error. Ah, you have used the pejorative slur, "breeder," in reference to heterosexuals. You have now destroyed any credibility you had at all as an objective and intelligent human being. The fact, oh-great-non-breeding human, is that even "gay" people wish to "breed" through adoption. 
 

We don't make rude comments about movies because of straight sex.
 

RR: You just did! See above!


As far as I'm concerned you owe the gay community an apology for your rude insensitive comments.

Jeff Haverstock

RR: As far as I'm concerned, you need to learn tolerance and common sense, let alone grammar and spelling.

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Hey Rense,

Thanks for your most refreshing column.

RR: Hey, you're welcome.


I loved your piece on the selling of "Brokeback Mountain," and the not-so-subtle implication that anyone who doesn't immediately rush out to see it must be a gay-bashing,
homophobic, redneck "breeder".

It would be one thing if this film could be viewed as just another movie. No problem. Personally, I rather respect directors who challenge their audiences and do controversial things once in a while. But "Brokeback Mountain" has - unfortunately - become a cultural phenomenon much in the same way that Mel Gibson's "Passion of the Christ" and Michael Moore's "Fahrenheit 9/11" did. Whether the story is even halfway intelligent or well-written has become irrelevant. It's about gay cowboys and that is presumably enough reason for it to win the Oscar for Best Picture no matter what else you can say about it.

RR: This would seem to be essentially true. (Although I enjoyed "Farenheit 9:11," which was a commentary, not a documentary.)

Speaking for myself, I'm just not interested. If it's a good flick, I hope it finds an audience.

RR: Agreed.

But I simply can't identify with or relate to a couple of guys who suffer from a tormented predilection for buggery. Also, homosexuality aside, I can't even believe that Heath Ledger could ever be a cowboy or sheepherder or ranch-hand or whatever the hell he's playing. He looks like a pretty boy who's never done a - uh - lick of physical labor in his life. But judging from the lip-service (pardon the expression) given to the film, we're all supposed to applaud because he's queer. And the conventional wisdom is telling us that anyone who doesn't cheer this movie on must be a repressed, closet queen himself. Sorry. I'm not buying it. Contrary to what a lot of amateur, armchair headshrinkers seem to think, not every straight man who is disgusted by the idea of twodudes kissing each other is in denial about his own erotic nature.

RR: Well summarized!


As you said, I have nothing against gay movies or gay people. Heck, I've helped change the policies of my workplace to prohibit discrimination against employees on the basis of sexual orientation.
 

RR: Good work!

But I am so sick of hearing about "Brokeback Mountain" that I could scream, and Satan will be ice-skating through Hell before I go to see this show.

RR: I'll let Pat Robertson know.

The hype for this film is in-your-face PC propaganda at its worst.

RR: Yes, I agree wholeheartedly.

Thanks so much again for bringing a healthy dose of sanity to the subject.
 

RR: Thanks for taking the time to write, and for the good words. Greatly appreciated.

Best wishes,

Paul Hickey

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Dear Mr. Rense:

I can understand your repulsion with gay sexual habits -- I find
cunnilingus disturbing as well.

Dear Mr. Moore,

Thank you for taking the time to write. I have interspersed your letter with comments.

---RR


What I can't understand is why you go on and on with the way your brain
is wired, what others have said, and never do a proper review because
you didn't see the film.


RR: I did not go "on and on" about the way my brain is wired. That was just a brief part of the column. I mentioned it because it helps to explain why I don't want to see the movie. The column is not a review. Repeat: I did not review the film. It is a commentary about the film's existence. It does not evaluate any aspect of the film's achievements in terms of acting, cinematography, etc. It is a commentary about a topic of current interest and debate.

Given your revulsions, don't you think as a good reviewer you could
summarize them in a paragraph so we know where you stand, then attend
the film and see if your pre-judgements remained the same? That would
have been much more interesting and useful to read.

RR: If I had set out to write a review, yes, that would be true.

If this movie disturbs you so much you won't see it after favorable
reviews and awards, how can you suggest you are an objective reviewer?

RR: I never suggested that I was an objective reviewer. Not meaning to beat a dead horse here, but I never reviewed the movie at all, so your premise, well-intentioned though it is, does not hold up.

More disturbing is that you are letting your feelings cutoff contact
with an important human subgroup.

RR: That's a surmise, and it illustrates my point. Just because I do not want to see this movie, you have concluded that I have no contact with gay people. Wrong!

Would you refuse to see Jean Cocteau's films because he liked to draw pictures of naked men having sex?

RR: Only if he put them in the films!

In essense you are asking us to forgive you for not doing your job because you cannot control your objectivity.

-Dave Moore
Kamuela, HI


RR: I did not ask for anyone's forgiveness, overtly or implicitly. I could not care less if anyone "forgives" me. You do not grasp what constitutes a film review. Again, I did not write one. I wrote a commentary about a current phenomenon. This is what columnists do. I could certainly write an objective review of this film, but because I do not want to see it in the first place, I guess I can't do that!


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Dear Rip Rense,

I hope your article is widely circulated and understood.

RR: So do I!  Thanks very much for writing. I have offered responses below:

I am a 41-year-old female, and I could not agree with you more. In fact, I take it a step further and boycott movies altogether. I will not give Hollywood and/or movie houses a dime if I can help it. I also do not even go into video rental outlets.

RR: I'm afraid that most releases from the major studios are so crass, so demographically designed to pick pockets, so dumbed-down, that I fully understand your attitude.

I am a homophobe as well.

RR: I assume you understood that I meant this facetiously. And that you also mean it facetiously.

Not only is homosexual kissing repulsive to me, but saliva-swapping between anyone, real-life or big screen, makes me uncomfortable.

RR: Amen!

It should be a private thing between the two involved, and not a spectator sport.

RR: I could not agree more.

My husband wouldn't dream of seeing "brokeback", and I am soooooo thankful! Keep up the good work, and be encouraged. There are still some of us whose hard-wiring has not been overridden by the brain-washing and propaganda.

RR: Delighted to hear this. Thanks for the good words.

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Mr. Rense,

Last night, I went to see Brokeback Mountain with my wife and five of our
gay-man friends. They all thought it was a masterpiece of social commentary.

Talking about this movie is like talking about politics or religion. Nobody wants to hear your stupid opinion, they all just want to impose their opinions on you. So I kept mine to myself last night.

Here it is: It was silly. It was also the most boring movie I've been to since I slept through Chariots of the Gods.

I suppose because I'm not gay or female, I don't have the right perspective to view it properly.

Still, I'm glad the movie is doing well. I think anything that infuriates the far right is great, and this one has Christian fundamentalists peeing fire and brimstone.

Ed Parrish


Dear Ed,

I expect I would have much the same assessment of the film. I share your view that if it's doing well, that means it is making some people happy---which is at least part of what entertainment is supposed to do. As for it infuriating fundamentalists, yes, that is a fine thing. To the extent that encourages their more monied component to do dastardly things, not so good. But so it goes.

Thanks for taking the time to write.

--RR


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The movie is a story of love. A tragic kind. And has nothing to do with gay
guys. Gayness is just a wrapping paper for retelling of a classic story. No
new territory is being explored here. The two cowboy's love for each other
is not transforming in any way. The movie was like a shortened gone with the
wind, not even as complicated.

Mo

I believe you. What I object to is that the movie has been made a huge issue, and is being used as a platform by people wishing to sanctimoniously proclaim how tolerant they are, etc. I'm sure it's perfectly well done. Thank you for writing.

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Hello Rip

Have to say loved the dialogue your opinions evoked.
I think at the end of the day people should lighten up, and not be so sensitive.

I to would not rush out to watch to Gay cowboys getting it on.

Cheers

David Baker
Darwin NT
Australia



Dear David,

Thanks for the note. I hear it is a very well done picture, but many readers do not seem to understand that the column is not a film review.

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Mr. Rense,

"And yes, it sickens me. I am hard-wired (paging Dr.
Freud) to find the sight of two men smooching to be
repugnant, disturbing. The DNA strand reading "No
possible procreation here" lights up, and my brain
command center's "WRONG" receptors are overloaded.
This is the heterosexual machinery, functioning as
intended."

Right!

The late Dr. Wilhelm Reich said Homosexuality is a
curable psychological disorder. - He was claiming that
he cured a couple of persons from this ailment.
Of course you can't and mustn't force anybody to

become well, whatever problem he has! ..Unless their
problem becomes a public danger. When i had
Tuberculosis they locked me up in a hospital to avoid
infecting other people. That is totally acceptable!
The same thing goes for homosexuals: i am strictly
against allowing 'Gay' people in jobs where they have
contact with minors i.e. school teachers! I find it
also unacceptable e.g. to be treated by a 'Gay' nurse,
when they show off their gayness.

Close to where i am living we have a spa. There are
two pools with hot water coming directly out from the
hot springs, one for women, one for men. People go
naked into the pools. I used to go there frequently,
relaxing and enjoying the hot water. This place has
been discovered by the gay community. In the beginning
there was no problem - they kept to themselves and
didn't bother anyone.

Now the pool is occupied nearly exclusively by them. I
don't go there anymore because it happens that they
grab your ass.

When you grab a woman's ass and she slaps you in the
face her reaction is considered quite normal, isn't
it?

Can you imagine what would happen to me if i do that
to the sick (jerk) that grabbed my ass in the spa?

As you said, this 'political correctness' is
biological incorrect! Have you ever seen a homosexual cat??

I have noticed exactly the opposite: Female animals
(Pets) tend to bond with male humans and male ones
with women. My cat won't allow a woman to touch her.
My mother's tomcat's first choice is my mother, then
comes my sister and only if no female is available
then he goes to my father. A friend of mine who has a
farm and teaches horseback riding told me once that
when she starts lessons with a beginner, she always
selects a horse of the opposite sex for the riding
lessons, as in her experience this makes it much
easier for both, horse and rider.

If you keep your eyes open to this, i am sure you will
notice it too.(by the way, i'm not sure if it applies to castrated
animals too.)

“But disregard this rant, as I'm just a homophobe.
Never mind that I have no problem with "gay marriage."



I do! I find it outrageous that they get every right a
heterosexual couple has. Especially the right to adopt children!!!
It seems to me like providing a pederast with a class
of firstgraders!

greetings

Horst Hartmann


Dear Mr. Hartman,

Homosexuality actually also does occur in the animal kingdom. There was a famous example recently of a couple of penguins in a New York zoo. And I’m not sure about Bugs Bunny, for that matter, given his habit of cross-dressing.

It seems obvious to me that many people are born without well-defined male/female gender, both physiologically and psychologically. If there are hermaphrodites, why shouldn't there be other types of blurred gender? Studies indicate, for instance, that there are physical brain characteristics unique to many homosexual males. There are, to paraphrase an old song from the '30s, masculine women and feminine men. There always have been. Some Native American tribes held homosexuals to be holy, and need it be stated that many of the great figures in history were homosexual?

No one with any tendencies toward heterosexual or homosexual abuse should be allowed to work in proximity with children, of course, but this will still happen. There are superb homosexual educators, of course. I do not, however, believe that homosexuality should be the subject of editorializing in sex education; it should merely be acknowledged academically, much as I think should be the tone for any sex education.

As for homosexuality being a psychological disorder, as with any other issue, there is no black and white here. I'm sure in some cases mental illness might result in unusual sexual behavior, including homosexuality, but I think this is in the great minority. I believe that some lonely and alienated people "on the fence" have "made the choice" to adopt a homosexual lifestyle since it has become so public, though I don't see this as necessarily being a disorder.

So we have little in common here, I'm afraid. Although I might take that advice about horseback riding.


--RR

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I just received your column on the movie from a friend of mine, a Vietnam vet who sent it without comment. I'm a Baby Boomer gal and I wouldn't go see this movie on a dare. I believe it to be yet another Hollywood assault on virtues as such and I won't let a dime of my money go to support their corrupt effort. I'm with you and many of the other posters - what you do in your own bedroom, stays in your own bedroom. Gay, straight or bi, just don't force your lifestyle on me.

Thanks for an exceptionally well-written, forthright column, saying what desperately needed to be said.

PS-I won't NetFlix the movie, either. So, there.

Bonnie in Denver



Dear Bonnie,

Thank you for writing.

I agree with you about privacy.

I don’t believe this film is an “assault on virtues.” I do think it is riding “controversy” to fame and fortune, and I find that contemptible.

But yes, Hollywood has long assaulted intelligence and sanity with myriad dumbed-down, demographically targeted films full of violence and scatology, because they sell.

Rip Rense

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Dear Mr. Rense,

I read your commentary regarding "Brokeback Mountain," it was interesting to say the least. I went to see the movie opening weekend and loved it, my husband, however, decided to stay home for this one. He's not a homophobe, just the opposite in fact, nor do I think you're a homophobe. I completely understand that some straight men do not want to see this movie, that same sex romance, especially between men, is sickening to them. As is oft said, to each their own.

 I must say, though, that the audience around me that day was quite diverse: single women, single men, a elderly straight couple,  lone elderly men, and yes, a couple of Gay men, there was even a Gay guy and his straight female friend. Everyone seemed to enjoy the movie; nobody fled before the movie ended, and that's always a good sign.

 Personally, it wasn't about social commentary for me -- I find the whole Gay issue passe. I went to see a love story, thus that's what I saw. It was heartwrenching and intense, the cinematography was lovely, the dialogue quite good, and the men -- Handsome!

Sincerely,

Donna

PS: My husband calls it "Bareback Mountain."  :)


Dear Donna,

Thank you for your thoughtful report, and understanding. I’m glad you enjoyed the movie. I’m sure it is well done. The commentary, of course, is implicit. The Academy will turn this into a major forum for moral posturing.

Best,

Rip Rense

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I LOVE MR. RENSE's article -----------YIKES ARE WE ALL MOOING CLONES????

I really liked this piece – mainly because I’m so disgustingly sick and tired of listening to nothing but the programmed mantra of HERD THINK – where every nutty putty lumpkin,  is supposed to have the same feelings or thoughts on every subject – life style – culture – race – religion  etc; or they’re labeled some made up goofy term. I wouldn’t see this movie simply because it looks cheap, mind numbing, and another groping bit of nothing. I wouldn’t go if it were two lesbians, a kangaroo and a gorilla – or a withered Viagra drugged up (penis) screwing everything in sight ---------------- it appears to me there’s something more to life than panting, sucking, blowing, heaving, humping and screwing? Judith Moriarty

Dear Judith,

Thanks for writing. I could not agree with you more.

Rip Rense

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From: "dv"

 

Interesting, you fail to mention that the site of two hot women kissing is repugnant to you as well.

If you say that is true, then you must be gay. I'm quite sure you've volunteered to see much worse movies in your lifetime. Stop being such a snob. By writing about it, you give it the attention you say it doesn't deserve. Who's gay now?

 ~D

Dear "D"

In the future, please sign your name to e-mail. It is the customary and polite thing to do.

Watching people kiss in general is not a pretty sight. All that slurping and saliva and bacterial exchange---not so romantic! Whether men and women, women and women. . .does not appeal to me.

Avoiding this movie has nothing to do with snobbery, as I've explained in the column. I freely admit to the snobbery of attempting to avoid all snobs, and unintelligence.

So why, then, did I respond to your e-mail? I know! I must be gay!

Rip Rense
 

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For God sake's...As I was reading your incessant babbling, I felt I was "listening" to a teenage boy showing off to his friends. It's not about about "a couple of guys who want to get into one another's chaps." But, then again, you will never know for sure what it's about, now will you? :)

Renn Leech
 

Dear Mr. Leech,

Please read the column again. I clearly express the fact that I understand what the movie is about. Your sense of humor could stand some improving.

Rip Rense

 

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From: Mikeabn

DOGGONE! Well spoken again!


Thanks, pardner.

Rip Rense

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From: stagestop

Hey dude...

...do you miss the entire motive for the movie?...

 ...George W. Bush is gay...and W is a cowboy...


Hey, dude,

Isn't that a Beatles song?

RR

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Dear Mr. Rense,

I agree with you, and I'm gay.  I don't like how attention is being diverted from the real assholes that are destroying our society.  It won't matter that boys were kissing when Los Angeles looks like a third world slum.  Oh wait, it is already well on its way...

If something revolts you, don't embrace it!  That is what freedom is all about.  I don't like seeing kissy-kissy teeneybopper movies, so am I teeneybopper-phobic?  These shills that pass themselves off as psychiatrists, therapists, or geneticists need to find other day jobs because they aren't fooling me any longer.

These (people) remind me of a "modern artist" who smears elephant (dung) on a canvas and calls it "modern art"....

When will people wake up to the fact that people will love or (have sex with) what their body and soul tell them to love or (have sex with), and that abusing that VERY PERSONAL  loving or (sex) for political gain is fundamentally against our foundation of personal sovereignty?  I don't give a s--- about what you like to (have sex with), so why would I expect you to do the same?

I'm pissed off that yet another part of myself is being exploited for some fat-moneyman's gain!

By the way, I plan to see Brokeback Mountain.  I like cowboys, and...well, you really don't need to hear the rest.

Thanks,

Marc Rudin

 

Dear Mr. Rudin,

I agree. It’s a matter of priority, isn’t it? It will not matter that “boys were kissing” when millions die from a flu virus, or when hundreds of thousands die in a natural disaster, or when this country turns into a de facto police state. Your point about freedom is at the heart of the matter. If you don’t like it, don’t watch it---it’s a prerogative. And sexual behavior is also a matter of personal preference. Ask J. Edgar Hoover. Of course, this film pretends to make a moral statement, and perhaps it does, but countless sanctimonious people will get up on their hind legs at awards ceremonies and impersonate Martin Luther King in paying homage to it. Hope you enjoy the movie.

Rip Rense
 

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Sir,

I saw brokeback montain and it is a great movie! During centuries homosexuals had no right to live because of ignorance and people like you. Homosexuality is not a choice. People get killed and killed themseves because of comments like this.

Eric Lessard, Quebec, Canada


Dear Sir,

I just love the "people like you" comment. It's a standard. As if you know anything about me. The "people like you" phrase does more to alienate humans from one another than any other phrase that comes to mind. What is so interesting about your note is that you are commenting on something I never expressed an opinion about. You have assumed my attitude, and condemned me for it. First, I never said a thing about the quality of the movie. Not one word. I addressed only the subject matter, and my reaction to it. Second, your feeble effort to "educate" me about homosexuality is ironic, seeing as I largely agree with your point.

Next time use your head, what there is of it.

Rense

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your artical exposes you not as a homophobe but as a coward.. afraid to look at something that makes you uncomfortabe...the fact is men kiss all the time and film is here to reflect the world...show alittle courage and look at the world ..all of it

Michael Low


Dear Michael,

What a Low blow, not to mention a most unintelligent response. Why should I look at something that makes me uncomfortable? As I wrote, I stay away from chainsaw movies, for instance. I am not a masochist.

I'm glad you enjoyed the movie.

Rip Rense

P.S. If you are going to write a letter about an article, at least figure out how to spell "article," will you? It makes you look pretty stupid, otherwise.

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And still more from Michael Low (Rense responses included):
 

for the same reason that i read your web site..

RR: You don't read my website. You read my brother's website. Jeff Rense (where the column was also posted.) Please note that like many brothers, we seem to have different first names.

many articles make me uncomfortable but i face my discomfort.. why would i want to read about women and children being bombed  or the the president being a criminal.

RR: This, of course, is an empty comparison. You are referring to news here. This movie is not news, it is entertainment. Entertainment is a matter of personal taste, not civic duty. And, by the way, I often stop reading about women and children being bombed. It is sometimes to grim to handle.

because i face my discomfort and study the world around me..being willing to watch two men deal with their homosexual feelings is not the same as a chainsaw murder...

RR:Yawn. I never said it was. I was attempting to illustrate that the fact that I don't want to see a movie about cowboy homosexuals does not make me a "homophobe" any more than not wanting to see a women's tear-jerker movie makes me a "femalephobe." This has eluded you. I also object to the fact that people will use this film not only to level accusations of "homophobia," but to ennoble themselves as morally superior beings. Much as you are doing.

ps.... i read rense.com everyday..
 

RR: I'm sure my brother would be pleased to know that.

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From: space2force

Bozo---

Why bother writing an article about the film in the first place?

RR:
Pinhead,

It is because this film is a matter of enormous public interest. This is what columnists do, historically---write about matters of enormous public interest.

And to you words ...................the thing that bothers me here is that this movie is what passes for important social commentary in this stupid society............  is bullsh............t

RR: How eloquently stated! Why, you must have advanced degrees in English.

You sound like a completely egomaniac redneck that thinks that his belly button is the centre of the universe.

RR: "Centre" is spelled "center," unless perhaps you are British. I wonder if supporting medical marijuana, opposing the Iraq war, and supporting abortion makes me a redneck. Be careful about making assumptions about people. You might embarrass yourself.

The reality is far from what u are saying my friend.

RR: We are not friends, nor do I wish to have you for one. I know this might disappoint you, but that's how it is.

Repulsion is not two women , men or straight couples kissing. The repulsion is people like with their arrogant bamboozling full of fear concerning sexuality.

RR: I assume you were trying to write "people like you." I love that phrase. It indicates that the speaker has made a full assessment of another human being based on a single opinion. Even you perhaps can see how destructive and stupid that is. In this case, you have evaluated me strictly on the basis of whether I wished to view a single motion picture. Now let's not even contemplate how silly that is.

Stop finding excuses and get some help and if you are going to review a film see it first. What a retard.

RR: I did not "review" the film, but you did not notice this. In fact, I never said anything at all about the quality of the movie. That is what constitutes a review. But being retarded, I am hung up on these distinctions, whereas an enlightened creature such as yourself is unencumbered by such matters. You might read the article again, provided you can see through your own drool, and you will see that I completely support rights for homosexuals, and always have.

Bozo

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I didn't care for your article on the movie, Brokeback Mountain.  Does that make me an idiotphobe?
"Don't Ask, Don't Tell" Robert Ransom Odom, in Santa Fe

RR: No. But writing this note makes you an intelligencephobe.

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Hey I'm with ya on this movie.........Sort of like that Mel Gibson movie.......what was that called...the Crucifiction or some such....I saw no point to that crappy picture.....and I really did see people leaving the theater throwing up.  I guess it just goes to show there's something for every crowd.....and I know what your gonna say....those religious nuts were just using the pic to promote Christianity.....but hey so what.  It doesn't mean we all have to convert at the local church....it just means watch movies ya like or don't watch um at all. 

Thnx

Daniel Armstrong 

Dear Mr. Armstrong,

You have touched on the essential matter here. Entertainment is a matter of choice. Although there is an enormous propaganda factor in films, especially those such as “The Passion of the Christ.” This should not be ignored.

Rip Rense

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Dear Napoleon,

What you ail from young man ...is Crappyfilmophobia ...Having been a serious sufferer for several years myself ... I sympathize ...It's movies like this that inspire me to take up dentistry, knitting, philately and fence painting....and paul Mcfartney would agree ...Mediocrity Rules !

 Toodle pip

---Capt. Sensible


Dear Captain,

I suffer from Crappyeverythingphobia. I've never considered dentistry as a hobby, but depending on who's in the chair, it could be fun.

Thanks for the note.

Napoleon


Dear Napoleon,

Hmmm ... not sure about dentistry being fun ...but I'd rather pull teeth than have to endure what passes for art and entertainment ... ...  Maybe it's just moi... but have discovered that crappyeverythingphobia ... has no legal cure ... ~!~!~

dib dib

Capt. Sensible



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